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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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yes it's the skeptic Zone episode number

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148 for the twentieth of August 2011

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Richard Saunders here with you from

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Sydney Australia a bit of a tired

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Richard soon as I've been out all day

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doing the science oh yes well teaching

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science or presenting science as you'll

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hear later in the show on today's show

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we have another in the series of Tam Las

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Vegas tam nine interviews dr. rate she

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catches up without very good friend

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Benjamin Radford he's a man I greatly

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admire and a little bit jealous of the

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way he can go out and investigate all

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these strange and mysterious thing

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something I really love doing myself a

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really great interview part 1 part 2

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next week with Benjamin Redford dr. H he

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asks him about his mysterious

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investigations and following that and

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you'll understand why I'm a bit a bit

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worn out as I record this I take you to

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the powerhouse museum here in Sydney

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we're just today dr. AJ and I performed

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the mystery investigators show all

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afternoon in fact late morning till the

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afternoon many shows we perform for lots

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of parents lots of kids lots of people

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passing by it was really great fun a

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live report so to speak and of course

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that is all for the benefit of science

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week and to wrap up the show it's

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Maynard Oh al good friend Maynard visits

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the CSIRO solar array in Newcastle

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Mayfield West in fact in Newcastle just

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discover more about the goings-on there

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the solar array that sounds interesting

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so I'm going to run straight downstairs

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I'm a bit tired tonight I'm gonna grab

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that nice cup of um hmm when I grabbed

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this week was a caramel chocolate Oh

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folks caramel hot chocolate that sounds

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pretty good oh yes and I'll let you

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now it's time for dr. Rachel reports

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with dr. Rachel Dunlop hello listeners

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dr. Reggie here with you presenting an

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interview with Benjamin Radford Ben is

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the deputy editor of skeptical Inquirer

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and the author of six books including

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tracking the chupacabra the vampire

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based in fact fiction and folklore and

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this is the topic of most of our

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discussion today then also works with

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the committee for the scientific

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investigation of claims of the

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paranormal and he has done firsthand

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research into psychics ghosts haunted

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houses exorcisms miracles Bigfoot

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stigmata Lake Monsters UFO sightings

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reincarnation crop circles and many

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other paranormal topics so strap

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yourselves in listeners for a really

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fascinating interview with paranormal

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been rough it's just stretching and

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doing some kind of meditation here at

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am-9 in Las Vegas in the zone okay there

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there I'm in the zone you are in the

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zone days we're sort of hiding in a back

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room at the other side of the hotel

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right now well I guess they know yes how

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are you doing well I love coming to Tam

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just you know meeting old friends and

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meeting new ones and seeing the seeing

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that the people out in the field you

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these sorts of things because a lot of

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times the investigations and the work

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that I do is very insular you know it's

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writing or it's investigating it's very

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solitary endeavor and so I want to get a

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chance to come to a meeting like this

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it's great because you meet you know all

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those people learnt shouldn't they

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followed your work of course it also

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gets retiring after a while yeah which

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is why it's nice to find a little corner

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yeah to fun respite it but yeah you have

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a degree in psychology yes I know the

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managing editor skeptical inquirer right

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you doing a lot of other stuff as well

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you write for livescience.com and

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discovering years mm-hmm but primarily

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you're an investigator yes but

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investigate weird stuff lots of weird

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things yes I've been doing that for

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about 10 or 12 years now and just

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basically everything from monsters to

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crop circles miracles ghosts psychics

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phenomena I probably either personally

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looked into it or researched it or you

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know sir didn't have good friends who

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have not relied on their research in

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some cases so how do you can't easy to

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that how does that happen you just want

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I fall into investigating UFO hey what

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are not is we're going to Korea's Diane

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high school did I just do a little quiz

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and say you're going to investigate UFOs

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when you grow up no no in fact I when I

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was a kid I wanted I had a variety of

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careers in mind that did not include

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chasing ghosts I wanted to be a stuntman

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vision wasn't good enough

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film director and in fact i have written

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was right yeah as I could god I'm gonna

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feel put into it so you know I guess I

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always had the idea of being a writer

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world and I have always had a deep and

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abiding curiosity in things around me

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and so I've always wanted to know why

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things work and why how do they look

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that way why does it why does that plant

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grow that way and why is and so I'm

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always just been very inquisitive and so

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and so I think that once I was able to

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get involved with skeptic inquire

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magazine meet people like Joe Nickell

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others I got an opportunity to sort of

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see how working the skaters did this

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work and I worked with Joe and I did a

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lot investigations on my own well you

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enjoy do a lot of joy nickel who's gonna

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be on the skeptic so soon we spoke to

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him yesterday you don't love

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investigations together don't you well

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we we don't do as much as much anymore

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and then I moved back to New Mexico

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years ago so four years ago so because

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locations we don't really do it's mean

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investigations to get as we used to but

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certainly some of my earlier ones

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since then I branched out into a lot of

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other stuff so so you've just recently

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tracking chupacabra the vampire based in

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fact fiction and folklore yes now you

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are the world expert in the chupacabra I

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am it's kind of a shallow pool I know

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is like you know being the tallest one

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arm you know polish you know the bingo

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okay I mean is it is like five years

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worth of investigations isn't it to get

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it's it's the world's second or third

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best known monster after Bigfoot and

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Nessie so it's really a worldwide global

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phenomenon topic it's not a ver it's not

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reason to take me five years research it

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meets the biggest investigation of my

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career today just because it's it's it's

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such a well known phenomena and I

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finally pieced together all the parts of

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the story and basically solved the

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mystery well don't give it away I won't

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give it away yet but I'm just in fact

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you probably shouldn't give it away here

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in fact but people should buy the book

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but it's interesting that you say it's a

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worldwide phenomenon because until I met

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I hadn't heard of the chuba kuna and

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actually took me a few weeks to get my

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mouth to actually say Jewpacabra epic

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competition prize was if Spanish of

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course so it's not it's not Ozzy Spanish

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true your arse I can't do that you can't

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do that oh that's very bad

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interpretation suspect I don't know

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about no I was always mocking that I was

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you haven't attempted different layers

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Spanish in America right that's why I

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say I'm so crappy so has getting back to

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the point yeah well you're not taking a

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piss out of me yeah um we haven't heard

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of the chupacabra in Australia what has

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it has it been in Australia have there

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group of friends but everyone else has

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heard about certainly in the

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cryptozoology fields people who'll

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latin america spanish speaking parts of

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no places like that solution recover

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vampire I mean it's unlike Bigfoot and

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cattle livestock things like that and

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really intrigued by it is because it's

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this it's you know this is this

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well-known certainly in Latin America

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and elsewhere vampire that many people

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really believe exists i mean this is

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this is something to remember is that is

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that it's not as if even though you know

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the crowd here here tam is obviously

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more skeptical than most even though

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creature there are lots and lots of

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people who really do they sincerely

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absolutely believe that this thing

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exists and it's sucking the blood out of

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goats and other animals as we speak so

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this is not a joke to a lot of people

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this is a very serious threat and and so

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if i could bring it all together and

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sort of assembles or take take the big

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mystery and break it down to smaller

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mysteries and then solve each of those

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chronological investigation didn't you

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any yes the first sort of sighting was

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that in 1995 in yeah that the spain in

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puerto rico here we go and and again

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that's another thing that makes the

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chupacabra unique is that it's a very

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very recent creature you know if you

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look at for example the stories of

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Bigfoot those really only date back to

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about the 1950s depending on how you how

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you count them in the case to the Loch

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Ness monster that only dates back to

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about the 1930s in the case of

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chupacabra you're talking 95 and so it's

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just you know real animals don't

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the appear out of nowhere is just ten

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really nice I just yeah just doesn't

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work that way and so and so it was

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interesting because then then the

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question becomes well why how do you

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explain that you let's assume you're

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believers you really believe the

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chupacabra exists then then you you're

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so you're forced to say oh okay well why

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didn't people hear about this you know

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30 40 years ago and they don't really

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have an answer except that on occasion

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it had people swear to me that they

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heard about the chupacabra in in the 70s

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and the 80s and yet there's no evidence

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for that and I've actually put out a

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reward I've said hey if you if you if

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you're telling me that you heard stories

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of the chupacabra has a blood sucking

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vampire beast in Puerto Rico or

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elsewhere show me a published reference

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to it I offer to a two hundred fifty

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dollar reward and signed copy of my book

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and even that word was even publicized

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in Puerto Rico well that's cool so far

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no one's come forward with it so it's

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it's very clearly a mystery that that

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you know despite its global stature is

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15 16 years old so then how did it stop

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how did it it's 1995 sighting what

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happened can you describe to innocence

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rabbit sure well basically one thing you

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have to understand is that there's two

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different versions of chupacabra there's

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the original version that appeared in

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late nineteen ninety-five was a bipedal

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sort of spiky back creature with alien

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type eyes wraparound eyes and almost no

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ears and lip lyst mouth and had long

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arms and legs and fingers but again the

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main characteristic was the spikes going

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down the back and that appeared in in

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run August of 95 and was seen throughout

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95 96 little bit 97 and a couple of

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sporadic sightings after that but that

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essentially petered away by about 2,000

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and then there were a couple fallow

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years and then write about 2004-2005 was

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when you when you saw the emergence of a

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second type of chupacabra and these were

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cannons these are animals from the dogs

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the

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were not bipedal spiky back alien type

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creatures these were days let's do these

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look like essentially hairless or nearly

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hairless dogs that were you know not in

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good shape but certainly weren't you

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know extraterrestrial and so in this

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case however you had you had a carcasses

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these things were actually being found

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they weren't just being sighted their

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people were finding these things

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particularly in Texas and so so for

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believers in the chupacabra it was very

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frustrating to them because they they

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really believed that there was some

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weird sort of creature but then the

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original sightings no but no one ever

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there were just glimpses they were just

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I wouldn't report there was no actual

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carcasses they had to wait about 10

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years to find the carcasses but when

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when they you know the irony is that

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when they actually had the carcasses

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when they started finding these

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chupacabras in Texas then you've caused

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to scientific analysis and when you do

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that as I did as I detail in the book

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these things turn out to be dogs and

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coyotes and raccoons for example

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typically that are reflected with mange

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which is I which is a skin disease

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exactly and so there are these two

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completely different types of

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chupacabras that emerged in in in

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different places and they take

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completely different forms and so when I

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was researching the mystery the first

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issue was well but what are these dead

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animals that that appeared you know in

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2005 2007 around there and that that

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answer was was actually pretty

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straightforward the answer is the DNA

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results are drumroll please coyote their

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results are dog isn't that but but I

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should actually mention as well that you

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actually have the day-night analyzed

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didn't you you didn't just look at the

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carcass and say hey yeah yeah exactly

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yeah and they were thorough about yes

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determining what these talks absolutely

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absolutely and so you know I followed up

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on people who did the DNA analysis in

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fact one of them actually roiled nice

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word from my book yeah

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scott disick tell did some dr. Todd dis

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a professor of anthropology New York

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University yes and he he did he analyzed

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a couple of the DNA sequencing of those

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and so yeah I mean it's it's that then

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that that was the first part the

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unraveling the mystery was what are

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these carcasses and again the science

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has the answer if you have a carcass

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than you have a body and you can you can

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need the testing so that part of the

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mystery was kind of solved not right

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away but sort of fairly quickly the

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second part was well where did the first

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creature come from I mean that the

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original eyewitness reciting people are

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talking about this spiky backed weird

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bipedal creature instead of how there's

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no illustration that you have done here

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yes I'm the head looks like a gray alien

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so the long face with the big eyes what

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Noah's grace exactly exactly and so the

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question then became all right well

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we've already looked at this sort of the

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this the second type of chupacabra that

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emerged in the mid-2000s let's go back

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to the original chupacabras see if we

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can figure out where that came from and

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and you know I looked at eyewitness

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accounts I actually went to Puerto Rico

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and interviewed the the original a

420
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witness that is actually that depiction

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the most famous drawing of chupacabra

422
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came from one single eyewitness woman

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named madeline tolentino who saw this

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creature something very much like it in

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august of two of 1995 and she she saw

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this thing and it was she had this whole

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detailed report and it was just outside

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of her house and she saw the thing with

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her mother and it sort of skipped across

430
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the road niche jumped out of the way and

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apparently there were no cars going by

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the time so she's really feeling the

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eyewitness other than her mother and she

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gave this very detailed description and

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immediately the UFO community in Puerto

436
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Rico which is actually very prominent

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there seized on to this and sort of made

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it their own fill my God look with this

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chupacabra that's the weird thing and

440
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they tied it in with earlier vampiric

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stories so that sort of got launched

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into the public's consciousness and so

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in a very real way to chupacabra is is

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one of the world's most prominent medium

445
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monsters you know the chupacabra would

446
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not exist if if the woman that saw that

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creature had seen it in night in 1982 or

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1975 simply because the internet didn't

449
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exist and the Internet in mass media was

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that was a huge player in turning an

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otherwise somewhat strange but rather

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unremarkable citing into this global

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phenomena but how does that sighting

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that you just described link to the guy

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sucking dish did that come after or did

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she see this particular creature sucking

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a goat's blood excellent question i love

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i love good questions that's a good

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question i'm not just kissing another

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good question PP a lot of people miss

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that no the answer is that that there

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are a couple different things happen is

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that when she saw this this entity she

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did not immediately say that must be the

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chupacabra she did not identify as a

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chupacabra said I saw something weird

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this is what it looked like and other

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people put the chupacabra label on her

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experience and then from from there it

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sort of snowballed what you find is that

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in Puerto Rico in earlier in 1995 and

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and and somewhat before then there had

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been what were considered to be strange

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and mysterious livestock predations you

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know people of farmers for example would

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find a or a cat or goat or hogs or

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whatever that had been attacked by some

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animal and and they believed had their

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blood sucked out of them you find this

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claim over and over and over and over

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again in internet in web pages and

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magazine articles and books and this and

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that dad I Lien's do it normally well in

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some cases yet it's actually a fitting

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because one of the one of the curious

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facets of the this sort of animal

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mutilation is that you can have exactly

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the same physical evidence that is

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interpreted in 3 completely different

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ways right I don't know what I mentioned

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this earlier talk or not but basically

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if you have a goat or a

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a cow or something let's say that had is

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found by a farmer with you know to

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puncture marks on its neck and appears

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to be drained of blood if that was found

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say in 1978 Texas that might be

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attributed to satanic cults right if you

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found that exact same carcass in in the

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say the mid 80s in New Mexico that would

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be attributed to aliens if you found

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that exact same carcass in say South

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Texas or Puerto Rico in the late 90s

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it's a chupacabra and I mean that I mean

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it's a proven fact I mean that that's

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exactly what happens is that you have

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these completely disparate

508
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irreconcilable interpretations all

509
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cultural interpretations important to

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note of the exact same evidence you know

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we're different people in different

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places we'll look at the exact same damn

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thing and have completely different and

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and to each of them what's all there

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don't you get obviously it's the

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Satanist i Leah obviously right and and

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and and without and that's one thing

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that I that I was pleased I was able to

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bring to the book is the context because

520
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oftentimes the context is important to

521
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solving the mystery music because of you

522
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if you don't understand the broader

523
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context of how these different things

524
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fit in then you're just sort of you know

525
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you're pissing in the wind because you

526
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don't know you don't know how to put it

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together and so that was one of the

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things that I did with it so so

529
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ultimately to give back to your question

530
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you know earlier in 1995 there was a

531
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pre-existing belief that something weird

532
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was attacking animals on an island

533
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puerto rico nobody called the chupacabra

534
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no one necessarily said it was a vampire

535
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although some people thought it was and

536
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certainly nobody had a forum no one said

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oh it looks like this it has the spikes

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00:22:15,970 --> 00:22:13,910
in the back no one said that it was just

539
00:22:17,470 --> 00:22:15,980
every now and then someone's finding gay

540
00:22:19,110 --> 00:22:17,480
animals we think their bloods been

541
00:22:23,140 --> 00:22:19,120
drained there's something weird and that

542
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:23,150
there was this some sort of social fear

543
00:22:27,010 --> 00:22:24,890
those this anxiety like something weirds

544
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:27,020
going on here and it wasn't until this

545
00:22:33,100 --> 00:22:30,170
woman siting in August of 1995 that

546
00:22:33,970 --> 00:22:33,110
crystallized it suddenly oh my god you

547
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:33,980
know that thing that's been attacking

548
00:22:39,010 --> 00:22:36,530
these animals she saw this

549
00:22:40,780 --> 00:22:39,020
and it's chupacabra will ecology of god

550
00:22:43,620 --> 00:22:40,790
this is what looks like and so her

551
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:43,630
sighting gave an otherwise amorphous

552
00:22:49,690 --> 00:22:46,610
social anxiety a very specific definite

553
00:22:53,500 --> 00:22:49,700
form and characteristics and so that's

554
00:22:54,820 --> 00:22:53,510
sort of how that how that emerged so you

555
00:22:55,990 --> 00:22:54,830
actually went and spoke to her didn't

556
00:22:57,970 --> 00:22:56,000
you I mean you're not an armchair

557
00:22:59,860 --> 00:22:57,980
skeptic which I guess some people often

558
00:23:02,710 --> 00:22:59,870
get accused of where you just set on the

559
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:02,720
internets and we hope don't have to you

560
00:23:07,360 --> 00:23:04,730
actually went out and spoke to her yes

561
00:23:09,580 --> 00:23:07,370
yes in fact yeah it would turn out very

562
00:23:11,970 --> 00:23:09,590
well in fact in fact a friend of mine

563
00:23:14,500 --> 00:23:11,980
Jenna Griffith helped me track her down

564
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:14,510
through her ex-husband on Facebook of

565
00:23:18,850 --> 00:23:17,210
all please really yeah I Carol themes

566
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:18,860
the power of the interwebs that's right

567
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:21,650
i had um you know i heard about her of

568
00:23:27,340 --> 00:23:25,010
course and and I'd you know having

569
00:23:31,570 --> 00:23:27,350
researched monsters and those sorts of

570
00:23:33,460 --> 00:23:31,580
things you know I I knew about the story

571
00:23:35,050 --> 00:23:33,470
new exciting but she basically dropped

572
00:23:38,100 --> 00:23:35,060
out of sight since her sighting I mean

573
00:23:40,330 --> 00:23:38,110
she said she had this this event in 1995

574
00:23:41,410 --> 00:23:40,340
and then I think she'd give mordor two

575
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:41,420
interviews and basically it just

576
00:23:45,340 --> 00:23:43,610
disappeared i mean just people talk

577
00:23:47,140 --> 00:23:45,350
about chupacabra but but again the

578
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:47,150
chupacabra head had moved on he had

579
00:23:50,770 --> 00:23:48,890
moved on to becoming amazing exactly

580
00:23:52,510 --> 00:23:50,780
yeah exactly so so you know and that's

581
00:23:54,100 --> 00:23:52,520
the thing is that you know because these

582
00:23:56,290 --> 00:23:54,110
chupacabras are these these you know

583
00:23:58,480 --> 00:23:56,300
these dead hairless dogs we found in

584
00:23:59,950 --> 00:23:58,490
Texas there's no real reason to connect

585
00:24:01,450 --> 00:23:59,960
that back to the original chupacabra

586
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:01,460
citing unless you're trying to solve all

587
00:24:04,420 --> 00:24:02,930
day a mystery otherwise there's no

588
00:24:06,580 --> 00:24:04,430
reason why people call Maryland

589
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:06,590
tolentino to ask her about a dead dog in

590
00:24:09,670 --> 00:24:07,970
Texas there's no but there's no

591
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:09,680
connection unless you sort of piece it

592
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:13,490
together and so so yeah so I went and

593
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:15,050
interviewed on to Puerto Rico and

594
00:24:20,110 --> 00:24:16,850
interviewed mrs. tolentino and her

595
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:20,120
ex-husband who was still there and she

596
00:24:23,530 --> 00:24:21,890
showed me the original site and I talked

597
00:24:25,570 --> 00:24:23,540
to her got photographs did an extensive

598
00:24:28,570 --> 00:24:25,580
interview with her at a noisy bookstore

599
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:28,580
outside of San Juan I went to El Yunque

600
00:24:32,890 --> 00:24:30,050
rainforest which is supposedly the

601
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:32,900
birthplace of chupacabra it's a jungle

602
00:24:37,120 --> 00:24:34,490
area that actually has a research

603
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:37,130
facility in it and it's so people have

604
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:38,090
this sort of

605
00:24:42,980 --> 00:24:40,770
suspicion conspiracy element to the

606
00:24:45,770 --> 00:24:42,990
whole story because of the the presence

607
00:24:47,120 --> 00:24:45,780
of a government lab there yeah so

608
00:24:49,070 --> 00:24:47,130
there's lots of conspiracy it's

609
00:24:52,190 --> 00:24:49,080
interesting yeah it's a conspiracy stuff

610
00:24:56,120 --> 00:24:52,200
in there and then I also went to I went

611
00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:56,130
to to Texas to go look at the second

612
00:25:00,860 --> 00:24:57,810
temperature covered this this deadhead

613
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:00,870
this woman had in her in her freezer for

614
00:25:07,220 --> 00:25:04,770
the the TV show monsterQuest so I wanted

615
00:25:08,810 --> 00:25:07,230
that for TV show and then I also went

616
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:08,820
she had a dead head in her freezer I

617
00:25:12,950 --> 00:25:10,770
can't let that go by yes a dead head in

618
00:25:14,540 --> 00:25:12,960
a freezer she she found his woman in

619
00:25:18,620 --> 00:25:14,550
Phyllis Canyon so I feed the most famous

620
00:25:21,020 --> 00:25:18,630
chupacabra found ever there was in 2007

621
00:25:23,540 --> 00:25:21,030
she called it to the the summer of the

622
00:25:25,100 --> 00:25:23,550
chupacabras because she found one or two

623
00:25:27,500 --> 00:25:25,110
I think she's since found another one

624
00:25:31,130 --> 00:25:27,510
but she found one dead dog or actually

625
00:25:34,730 --> 00:25:31,140
turneth big coyote on near her ranch out

626
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:34,740
in Cuero Texas and she she saved it and

627
00:25:37,430 --> 00:25:35,970
she's like oh my god this must be the

628
00:25:39,710 --> 00:25:37,440
chupacabra she went on the internet and

629
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:39,720
this is this is the pattern you see over

630
00:25:43,690 --> 00:25:41,010
and over again someone's find some they

631
00:25:45,650 --> 00:25:43,700
can't explain like something weird Oh

632
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:45,660
chupacabra Pollock talking something

633
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:48,090
weird exactly basic yeah it's something

634
00:25:52,460 --> 00:25:50,610
weird right and I'm almost never is

635
00:25:53,810 --> 00:25:52,470
there a direct connection between in

636
00:25:55,250 --> 00:25:53,820
fact that there's never a direct

637
00:25:57,020 --> 00:25:55,260
connection between you know this this

638
00:25:59,330 --> 00:25:57,030
dead animal they're finding that looks

639
00:26:01,670 --> 00:25:59,340
weird and any blood the trained and

640
00:26:04,070 --> 00:26:01,680
there's just you know just by eye so yes

641
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:04,080
that spec to my question Elias and I

642
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:05,490
found a dead what turned out to be a

643
00:26:10,730 --> 00:26:07,650
coyote yes but was she finding animals

644
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:10,740
on her ass had had punch marks she she

645
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:13,050
she had previously found she said that

646
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:14,730
something was attacking her I think it

647
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:16,050
was chicken that may be killed like one

648
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:18,690
of her kittens so yes the answer is that

649
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:22,770
she she it yes it didn't haven't had

650
00:26:26,390 --> 00:26:25,050
punishments uh that's what you said I

651
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:26,400
mean I didn't see it but by this I mean

652
00:26:29,060 --> 00:26:27,450
this was this has been a year or two

653
00:26:30,470 --> 00:26:29,070
later shouldn't you kiddin for me to see

654
00:26:33,290 --> 00:26:30,480
you thankfully really but she had a head

655
00:26:35,390 --> 00:26:33,300
in there phrase it was well well because

656
00:26:38,290 --> 00:26:35,400
she thinks that that's a chupacabra yeah

657
00:26:41,990 --> 00:26:38,300
she's less interested in the dead gasps

658
00:26:44,180 --> 00:26:42,000
but yeah it was curious and so but but

659
00:26:47,120 --> 00:26:44,190
yeah so she kept the head because again

660
00:26:48,740 --> 00:26:47,130
she believes it's a chupacabra um and so

661
00:26:49,550 --> 00:26:48,750
she kept in the freezer and I got to

662
00:26:52,850 --> 00:26:49,560
examine it

663
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:52,860
and mrs. meltus oh yeah I there's a

664
00:26:56,360 --> 00:26:54,810
serious funk around that thing have you

665
00:26:57,860 --> 00:26:56,370
ever had a dead oh I had just had this

666
00:26:59,690 --> 00:26:57,870
image of he likes putting it to your

667
00:27:01,580 --> 00:26:59,700
nose and sniffing it I did that yen I

668
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:01,590
would have licked it well I probably

669
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:03,210
wouldn't have liked it I'm not I'm not

670
00:27:08,900 --> 00:27:05,970
I'm yeah is this a certain time serving

671
00:27:13,790 --> 00:27:08,910
Western I hope I Supercop really it's

672
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:13,800
not it no it's not sexual it's didn't

673
00:27:17,510 --> 00:27:15,210
say that well I thought that's where

674
00:27:20,090 --> 00:27:17,520
you're going with that licking to pecado

675
00:27:21,410 --> 00:27:20,100
know but the point here is that is you

676
00:27:24,230 --> 00:27:21,420
need to get as much information as you

677
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:24,240
can about this right now if this really

678
00:27:30,430 --> 00:27:27,330
is a sever chupacabra head if I could be

679
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:30,440
the first person in the world to know

680
00:27:35,690 --> 00:27:33,330
for sure what a chupacabra head tastes

681
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:35,700
like I'm willing to do that you'll be

682
00:27:42,140 --> 00:27:39,090
famous i will be doing the talk show

683
00:27:45,380 --> 00:27:42,150
circuit 7 yeah yeah look where it's

684
00:27:47,180 --> 00:27:45,390
gotten me so far yeah so I'm so I I

685
00:27:49,670 --> 00:27:47,190
didn't end up licking in I did smell it

686
00:27:51,410 --> 00:27:49,680
I did touch it um there's photographs of

687
00:27:53,330 --> 00:27:51,420
it my book so what is it smell like I

688
00:27:55,550 --> 00:27:53,340
mean it's frozen right so I shouldn't be

689
00:27:57,740 --> 00:27:55,560
that smelly yeah well it's been frozen

690
00:28:00,380 --> 00:27:57,750
unfrozen i think i think the the phrase

691
00:28:01,940 --> 00:28:00,390
I used in the book was a it looked like

692
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:01,950
something that death brought with him in

693
00:28:06,890 --> 00:28:04,650
a suitcase which is a line that I borrow

694
00:28:09,350 --> 00:28:06,900
from Warren Zevon I one of my favorite

695
00:28:11,540 --> 00:28:09,360
musicians but it was via it was just

696
00:28:14,390 --> 00:28:11,550
very funky very Gainey sort of like you

697
00:28:17,390 --> 00:28:14,400
would expect a dead carcass dog to smell

698
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:17,400
like although again it's a coyote but so

699
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:19,530
yeah I did that as well also went to the

700
00:28:24,380 --> 00:28:22,770
jungles of Nicaragua i did a jungle

701
00:28:26,810 --> 00:28:24,390
expedition in search of above the

702
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:26,820
chupacabra and I was there I Nicaragua

703
00:28:30,290 --> 00:28:28,410
well there's couple reasons for

704
00:28:33,020 --> 00:28:30,300
Nicaragua one of them is that there was

705
00:28:35,570 --> 00:28:33,030
a very important sighting in in the year

706
00:28:37,700 --> 00:28:35,580
2000 in nicaragua in a place called mal

707
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:37,710
ESO which is north of Managua the

708
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:41,250
capital and there was a guy a farmer

709
00:28:48,350 --> 00:28:45,530
actually who named Jorge talavera who

710
00:28:51,050 --> 00:28:48,360
had been experiencing liason livestock

711
00:28:52,490 --> 00:28:51,060
predation and he ended up laying wait

712
00:28:54,290 --> 00:28:52,500
for whatever was it was attacking his

713
00:28:57,140 --> 00:28:54,300
livestock and he you know him as one of

714
00:28:58,340 --> 00:28:57,150
his helpers saw these one or two

715
00:29:00,919 --> 00:28:58,350
creatures he's not sure I mean

716
00:29:02,810 --> 00:29:00,929
attack his animals and he shot at it in

717
00:29:04,970 --> 00:29:02,820
the dark thinking it was something weird

718
00:29:07,730 --> 00:29:04,980
maybe chupacabra and then a couple days

719
00:29:11,210 --> 00:29:07,740
later his one of his helpers found a

720
00:29:12,830 --> 00:29:11,220
carcass basically bones some distance

721
00:29:15,500 --> 00:29:12,840
away and he believed that that that was

722
00:29:18,730 --> 00:29:15,510
what acting these animals and he took it

723
00:29:21,350 --> 00:29:18,740
to a he took it to a university and

724
00:29:23,390 --> 00:29:21,360
saying look I found the chupacabra these

725
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:23,400
are typical roams the University said

726
00:29:27,860 --> 00:29:26,130
that it was in fact dog carcass at that

727
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:27,870
point talavera was not pleased about

728
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:29,610
this and he claimed there was a

729
00:29:34,430 --> 00:29:32,490
conspiracy that the the university had

730
00:29:36,020 --> 00:29:34,440
actually swell swapped in fact

731
00:29:38,899 --> 00:29:36,030
interesting when you look and warm other

732
00:29:41,180 --> 00:29:38,909
chupacabra there's there's all sorts of

733
00:29:43,250 --> 00:29:41,190
interesting conspiracy theories going

734
00:29:47,149 --> 00:29:43,260
through it there's creationist stories

735
00:29:48,710 --> 00:29:47,159
going through it folklore vampirism it's

736
00:29:49,850 --> 00:29:48,720
it's it's a fascinating story ID

737
00:29:52,250 --> 00:29:49,860
students to me because I spent so much

738
00:29:53,570 --> 00:29:52,260
time on it but anyway to answer your

739
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:53,580
question why Nicaragua that was one

740
00:29:58,669 --> 00:29:55,770
reason was that was that there have been

741
00:30:00,680 --> 00:29:58,679
significant even though it's almost

742
00:30:02,750 --> 00:30:00,690
certainly not chupacabra that was a very

743
00:30:05,570 --> 00:30:02,760
different sighting report in in two

744
00:30:09,500 --> 00:30:05,580
thousand in Nicaragua the second part

745
00:30:12,169 --> 00:30:09,510
was that if these things still exist if

746
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:12,179
the chupacabra exists then they have to

747
00:30:15,289 --> 00:30:13,650
be in a place where they're not being

748
00:30:16,789 --> 00:30:15,299
seen routinely they have been a place

749
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:16,799
that they're hidden away from

750
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:19,770
civilization and yet they have access to

751
00:30:26,510 --> 00:30:23,490
food printer / to be blood and so the

752
00:30:28,909 --> 00:30:26,520
area that I went to in the in the jungle

753
00:30:30,830 --> 00:30:28,919
of Nicaragua is actually a protected by

754
00:30:32,779 --> 00:30:30,840
Oh Resort Park you have to have special

755
00:30:35,990 --> 00:30:32,789
access to go there it's not open to the

756
00:30:38,630 --> 00:30:36,000
public it's pretty remote and so it made

757
00:30:40,220 --> 00:30:38,640
sense that if if if there's a breeding

758
00:30:42,890 --> 00:30:40,230
population of these chupacabras that

759
00:30:45,649 --> 00:30:42,900
really are existing in attacking animals

760
00:30:47,270 --> 00:30:45,659
of realms that because it's a protected

761
00:30:48,500 --> 00:30:47,280
area their reserve animals in there in

762
00:30:49,909 --> 00:30:48,510
fact there are quite a few animals in

763
00:30:51,890 --> 00:30:49,919
there because of the assole remote and

764
00:30:53,330 --> 00:30:51,900
so predicted that it would be natural

765
00:30:55,130 --> 00:30:53,340
play for Tripucka we would be able to

766
00:30:57,590 --> 00:30:55,140
attack animals without essentially

767
00:30:58,970 --> 00:30:57,600
without being seen and as it turns out I

768
00:31:01,029 --> 00:30:58,980
didn't know this until I went there but

769
00:31:03,260 --> 00:31:01,039
many of the areas around it are actually

770
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:03,270
ranches and there's there's livestock

771
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:05,650
round Wow so there's I mean

772
00:31:09,780 --> 00:31:07,690
going down the river I'm seeing cattle

773
00:31:11,940 --> 00:31:09,790
everywhere i'm like well hey if i was a

774
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:11,950
chupacabra this is where I'd be so

775
00:31:16,500 --> 00:31:14,890
basically my point was that yeah not to

776
00:31:18,330 --> 00:31:16,510
dress it up the armchair issue yeah it

777
00:31:20,190 --> 00:31:18,340
was important that i actually do field

778
00:31:23,940 --> 00:31:20,200
research to go out there go in there go

779
00:31:26,070 --> 00:31:23,950
in the field you know I you know you

780
00:31:28,740 --> 00:31:26,080
could say well you know couldn't you a

781
00:31:31,110 --> 00:31:28,750
spend i spent five days there um you

782
00:31:32,850 --> 00:31:31,120
know it it was a legitimate effort I

783
00:31:34,530 --> 00:31:32,860
mean I hired a tracker I was somebody

784
00:31:36,780 --> 00:31:34,540
who's in the area I mean it was it was a

785
00:31:38,550 --> 00:31:36,790
legitimate expedition you know can I say

786
00:31:42,030 --> 00:31:38,560
that I honestly believed it was going to

787
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:42,040
find the chupacabra not necessarily but

788
00:31:46,770 --> 00:31:45,130
I was open to it I mean I I wasn't this

789
00:31:48,660 --> 00:31:46,780
wasn't a joke I mean I spent a lot of

790
00:31:50,460 --> 00:31:48,670
time and effort to get there and if I

791
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:50,470
had found any evidence to Jewpacabra you

792
00:31:53,610 --> 00:31:51,610
can be damn sure I would have followed

793
00:31:55,020 --> 00:31:53,620
up on it so what do you what did you do

794
00:31:59,490 --> 00:31:55,030
you went in there with the tracker and

795
00:32:02,040 --> 00:31:59,500
what you set up camp and then yo yeah we

796
00:32:04,830 --> 00:32:02,050
did a couple different things um one

797
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:04,840
thing was we it actually took it took

798
00:32:07,830 --> 00:32:06,010
fair amount time just to get there

799
00:32:10,950 --> 00:32:07,840
because it's again we had to go by plane

800
00:32:13,350 --> 00:32:10,960
and then bus and then boat and then a

801
00:32:15,690 --> 00:32:13,360
little roads this is getting further and

802
00:32:17,970 --> 00:32:15,700
further away but we ended up in this

803
00:32:19,950 --> 00:32:17,980
little tiny Lodge wasn't even a lodge is

804
00:32:21,390 --> 00:32:19,960
no electricity there was a little

805
00:32:24,750 --> 00:32:21,400
generator came on a couple hours at

806
00:32:27,660 --> 00:32:24,760
night but we spent a lot of time hiking

807
00:32:29,850 --> 00:32:27,670
the trails in the area we actually would

808
00:32:33,630 --> 00:32:29,860
cross the river into the the protected

809
00:32:35,850 --> 00:32:33,640
area the bio Park area and looked around

810
00:32:37,470 --> 00:32:35,860
there we hired a tracker again who's

811
00:32:39,450 --> 00:32:37,480
been in the area has been doing that for

812
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:39,460
I think eight years seniors at that

813
00:32:45,750 --> 00:32:43,690
point and so we were saying oh look is

814
00:32:47,070 --> 00:32:45,760
there anything here and we looked at we

815
00:32:49,170 --> 00:32:47,080
found monkeys we found all sorts of

816
00:32:50,070 --> 00:32:49,180
other animals I interviewed him i said

817
00:32:52,410 --> 00:32:50,080
you know have you heard about the

818
00:32:56,850 --> 00:32:52,420
chupacabra he said yes do you live it's

819
00:32:59,460 --> 00:32:56,860
real he sort of gave me this I'm sorry

820
00:33:01,560 --> 00:32:59,470
gave me this look like phase you problem

821
00:33:03,620 --> 00:33:01,570
Ben hey you had a skeptical tracker

822
00:33:06,540 --> 00:33:03,630
who's

823
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:06,550
they vanished in his presence yeah but

824
00:33:12,210 --> 00:33:09,610
to avoid exactly that i also i also

825
00:33:14,250 --> 00:33:12,220
talked to several local ranchers because

826
00:33:17,130 --> 00:33:14,260
i realized that just because this one

827
00:33:19,620 --> 00:33:17,140
particular bio park employee who was

828
00:33:21,810 --> 00:33:19,630
actually very good at finding tracks and

829
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:21,820
and identifying animals just because he

830
00:33:24,270 --> 00:33:22,930
hadn't seen it doesn't mean that other

831
00:33:25,710 --> 00:33:24,280
people hadn't seen and so was important

832
00:33:27,540 --> 00:33:25,720
to me to talk to other people so when I

833
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:27,550
was in the town I asked a couple people

834
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:29,890
i mean people who had ranches name I

835
00:33:35,340 --> 00:33:31,930
said you know do you do work nearby says

836
00:33:36,750 --> 00:33:35,350
yes have you had any any weird you know

837
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:36,760
livestock predation or anything else

838
00:33:43,140 --> 00:33:40,450
that he says no I mean Jaguars I'm and

839
00:33:44,460 --> 00:33:43,150
Jaguar sometimes attack animals we don't

840
00:33:46,140 --> 00:33:44,470
believe in chupacabra there's never

841
00:33:48,290 --> 00:33:46,150
anything weird like that so the answer's

842
00:33:51,690 --> 00:33:48,300
no in fact that's what that's what this

843
00:33:54,270 --> 00:33:51,700
that's what the the guide said a guy

844
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:54,280
named fernando i said that the the

845
00:33:58,230 --> 00:33:55,930
ranchers here are far more afraid of mad

846
00:34:01,650 --> 00:33:58,240
cow disease and chip and jaguars the

847
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:01,660
chupacabras so he knew I said that that

848
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:03,370
was part it was was was interviewing

849
00:34:08,129 --> 00:34:05,650
people they're looking for things and

850
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:08,139
then the second part of it was looking

851
00:34:12,899 --> 00:34:11,050
for tracks because it's one thing to say

852
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:12,909
that the chupacabra hides and then you

853
00:34:16,050 --> 00:34:14,770
can't always find it in Weber elves it's

854
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:16,060
another name state doesn't need tracks

855
00:34:21,389 --> 00:34:19,090
and so so that was important to me was

856
00:34:23,340 --> 00:34:21,399
was the even though I mean the fact you

857
00:34:25,260 --> 00:34:23,350
can go look for something just don't see

858
00:34:27,419 --> 00:34:25,270
doesn't mean it's not there but it

859
00:34:29,700 --> 00:34:27,429
should leave tracks yeah and i should

860
00:34:37,100 --> 00:34:29,710
say scat too much it's Caswell right

861
00:34:43,260 --> 00:34:37,110
exactly right who who says weird he said

862
00:34:46,730 --> 00:34:43,270
um but yes i'll just say poo so um we

863
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:46,740
didn't see either either tracked or poo

864
00:34:51,540 --> 00:34:49,810
well there could have been there because

865
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:51,550
i'm just i was at my mention poem

866
00:34:58,470 --> 00:34:55,810
because we owe this we don't say that in

867
00:35:02,200 --> 00:34:58,480
America no say hello did you say we see

868
00:35:07,609 --> 00:35:02,210
the scatter [\h__\h] or we don't say hey

869
00:35:12,769 --> 00:35:07,619
hey poo poo nevermind yeah it's just a

870
00:35:14,900 --> 00:35:12,779
subject so I'm you do claim that you

871
00:35:17,029 --> 00:35:14,910
have solved this 15 year old mystery of

872
00:35:18,370 --> 00:35:17,039
randomized origin but I don't know if we

873
00:35:20,359 --> 00:35:18,380
want to keep away the whole story

874
00:35:22,849 --> 00:35:20,369
because we want people to buy the book

875
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:22,859
well it's fascinating book i mean i can

876
00:35:27,019 --> 00:35:25,890
certainly the books been out for a

877
00:35:28,609 --> 00:35:27,029
couple months now i mean if someone

878
00:35:30,289 --> 00:35:28,619
really wants to find out what my answer

879
00:35:33,799 --> 00:35:30,299
is that it's not it's not that hard to

880
00:35:35,839 --> 00:35:33,809
find but yeah I mean basically I i did

881
00:35:37,849 --> 00:35:35,849
i'm convinced that i have solved the

882
00:35:39,890 --> 00:35:37,859
mystery and I don't say that lightly and

883
00:35:41,569 --> 00:35:39,900
listeners don't forget to tune in next

884
00:35:44,420 --> 00:35:41,579
week for part two of this interview

885
00:35:56,070 --> 00:35:44,430
where Ben reveals the secrets behind the

886
00:36:01,420 --> 00:35:59,230
hello on Allah needle on solo scoffs of

887
00:36:03,550 --> 00:36:01,430
dip moment been to an ad low so another

888
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:03,560
skeptic zone for weeds and swap and

889
00:36:11,140 --> 00:36:08,090
Katie Schneider I moved in for Marcie

890
00:36:24,340 --> 00:36:11,150
fauna we may be some skeptics own burnt

891
00:36:27,190 --> 00:36:24,350
TV well i'm here at the powerhouse

892
00:36:30,820 --> 00:36:27,200
museum in Sydney the Science and

893
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:30,830
Technology Museum and the Rachel dr.

894
00:36:35,340 --> 00:36:32,810
Reggie and I are going to be performing

895
00:36:38,170 --> 00:36:35,350
six shows of our mystery investigators

896
00:36:40,450 --> 00:36:38,180
show the show we do for schools mainly

897
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:40,460
exploring the strange and mysterious and

898
00:36:44,260 --> 00:36:42,890
the paranormal bed of nails water

899
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:44,270
divining and all that sort of stuff but

900
00:36:48,610 --> 00:36:47,090
before the crowds get here I've already

901
00:36:50,140 --> 00:36:48,620
set up the show and I'm just wandering

902
00:36:51,580 --> 00:36:50,150
around and other scientists from other

903
00:36:53,590 --> 00:36:51,590
organizations are setting up their

904
00:36:55,720 --> 00:36:53,600
tables on various stages in the

905
00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:55,730
powerhouse I've come across one a

906
00:37:01,090 --> 00:36:58,010
relatively new exhibition they have here

907
00:37:04,660 --> 00:37:01,100
they've recreated our the surface of

908
00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:04,670
Mars quite well in a very large area

909
00:37:09,870 --> 00:37:06,400
with lots of

910
00:37:12,779 --> 00:37:09,880
mars type rocks is even a rover which

911
00:37:15,210 --> 00:37:12,789
I'm sure gets to drive around this great

912
00:37:19,349 --> 00:37:15,220
landscape they've got down here little

913
00:37:21,299 --> 00:37:19,359
display here to the robot itself so that

914
00:37:23,279 --> 00:37:21,309
when you command it to do something

915
00:37:24,930 --> 00:37:23,289
you're hoping that it will actually do

916
00:37:27,329 --> 00:37:24,940
the task before it sends back

917
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:27,339
information to you again so we can start

918
00:37:31,170 --> 00:37:28,930
very simple we just make it to something

919
00:37:33,900 --> 00:37:31,180
automatic it's a man on the screen

920
00:37:35,940 --> 00:37:33,910
talking about the rover I'm very lucky

921
00:37:37,829 --> 00:37:35,950
maybe during a break today I can pop

922
00:37:41,779 --> 00:37:37,839
over here and see the rover in action as

923
00:37:46,019 --> 00:37:41,789
it trundles around this recreation of

924
00:37:47,970 --> 00:37:46,029
Mars it's about the size of a big

925
00:37:50,269 --> 00:37:47,980
swimming pool not an Olympic swimming

926
00:37:55,529 --> 00:37:50,279
pool but a fairly sizable swimming pool

927
00:37:57,420 --> 00:37:55,539
looks great with them the wall behind

928
00:38:00,480 --> 00:37:57,430
it's got real photographs from the

929
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:00,490
surface of Mars and the big area in

930
00:38:07,620 --> 00:38:04,210
front of me covered with the marsh type

931
00:38:11,430 --> 00:38:07,630
/ soil and rocks I'm sort of in the

932
00:38:13,140 --> 00:38:11,440
robotics section of the museum which i

933
00:38:16,380 --> 00:38:13,150
guess is why they have the rover rover

934
00:38:21,359 --> 00:38:16,390
maybe and there's even the robot from

935
00:38:26,220 --> 00:38:21,369
lost in space yeah and if I sit down

936
00:38:28,500 --> 00:38:26,230
here they have and this it's it's

937
00:38:30,450 --> 00:38:28,510
interesting to note they've got one of

938
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:30,460
these tabletops space invaders games

939
00:38:39,240 --> 00:38:37,450
free to play so and this is a museum so

940
00:38:41,130 --> 00:38:39,250
there you go my childhood has now become

941
00:38:43,559 --> 00:38:41,140
part of museum and it's got lots of

942
00:38:45,660 --> 00:38:43,569
games and let me try this one

943
00:39:07,460 --> 00:38:45,670
maybe some listeners will recognize this

944
00:39:14,250 --> 00:39:11,130
I think I did just as well as I used to

945
00:39:18,690 --> 00:39:14,260
do in the in the early 80s on that game

946
00:39:20,370 --> 00:39:18,700
oh well as the noise you can hear is the

947
00:39:22,580 --> 00:39:20,380
renovation to doing extensive

948
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:22,590
renovations ship via powerhouse museum

949
00:39:33,570 --> 00:39:27,130
which is great but noisy and I'll walk

950
00:39:36,930 --> 00:39:33,580
around now to the Hall of Transportation

951
00:39:40,590 --> 00:39:36,940
memorabilia a horse and cart all the way

952
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:40,600
up to rocket engines and right above me

953
00:39:44,780 --> 00:39:42,970
where the mystery investigators will be

954
00:39:49,170 --> 00:39:44,790
performing today on our little stage is

955
00:39:50,790 --> 00:39:49,180
a giant looks like a sea plane or

956
00:39:54,570 --> 00:39:50,800
something hanging from the ceiling its

957
00:39:57,780 --> 00:39:54,580
massive it's really hard to judge from

958
00:40:00,090 --> 00:39:57,790
here underneath it how big it is but it

959
00:40:02,510 --> 00:40:00,100
is no small plane i can tell you and i

960
00:40:05,100 --> 00:40:02,520
hope it's securely fastened oh yeah

961
00:40:09,060 --> 00:40:05,110
anyway looking forward very much to our

962
00:40:10,590 --> 00:40:09,070
six performances today and I'm delighted

963
00:40:13,170 --> 00:40:10,600
to say we're about to start the showing

964
00:40:15,630 --> 00:40:13,180
dr. H is he hi dr. AG hi dr. Richard

965
00:40:18,210 --> 00:40:15,640
looking wonderful in your black lab coat

966
00:40:21,720 --> 00:40:18,220
I am in black today is my new lab coat

967
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:21,730
design it's uh yeah sleek and sexy I

968
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:24,010
think so I think so got the stage set up

969
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:26,890
with our water divining tubs 126 we've

970
00:40:30,540 --> 00:40:28,690
got the posters of the back and we've

971
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:30,550
got the juggling balls and the better

972
00:40:34,050 --> 00:40:32,530
nails all ready to go and we're starting

973
00:40:35,550 --> 00:40:34,060
to get an audience Richard because I

974
00:40:36,900 --> 00:40:35,560
think their show next door has just

975
00:40:38,610 --> 00:40:36,910
finished up so

976
00:40:40,530 --> 00:40:38,620
well it's actually a really good setup

977
00:40:43,050 --> 00:40:40,540
here we're in the transport some part of

978
00:40:44,970 --> 00:40:43,060
the museum so above us is a giant place

979
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:44,980
well yeah a numerous giant planes

980
00:40:49,620 --> 00:40:47,290
actually but there is one above us that

981
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:49,630
is really huge and I'm hoping it won't

982
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:51,610
fall on our heads during the show it

983
00:40:54,900 --> 00:40:53,410
would be good if it doesn't it would be

984
00:40:56,940 --> 00:40:54,910
I think well I think it's been up there

985
00:40:58,590 --> 00:40:56,950
for some time I think so years and years

986
00:41:01,680 --> 00:40:58,600
I'm pretty sure it'll be pretty stable

987
00:41:03,090 --> 00:41:01,690
but yes I'm looking forward to it today

988
00:41:06,090 --> 00:41:03,100
it's gonna be fun it's going to be fun

989
00:41:08,430 --> 00:41:06,100
let's go well the show went very well

990
00:41:10,950 --> 00:41:08,440
and we pick up the action now right

991
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:10,960
towards the end where we bring up the

992
00:41:18,540 --> 00:41:15,130
bed of nails and dr. H he gets the stand

993
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:18,550
on my back so here it is a little bit at

994
00:41:24,030 --> 00:41:20,410
the end of the show where we have the

995
00:41:26,370 --> 00:41:24,040
bed of nails now and you just hope for

996
00:41:30,900 --> 00:41:26,380
us you're not rubbin out they are real

997
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:30,910
Mouse personally in the middle yep they

998
00:41:36,620 --> 00:41:34,090
run up to the real real man exact now

999
00:42:05,280 --> 00:41:36,630
not a tough weekend to take advantage

1000
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:08,410
you know it's been a bit of a minute the

1001
00:42:12,610 --> 00:42:10,850
year so people can really rely on the

1002
00:42:35,290 --> 00:42:12,620
good mouse I think it's too dangerous i

1003
00:42:41,260 --> 00:42:35,300
think it may be beside me yeah i think i

1004
00:43:33,540 --> 00:42:41,270
think now everything before you another

1005
00:43:33,550 --> 00:43:57,849
Oh

1006
00:44:12,220 --> 00:44:09,800
the whole very close together but where

1007
00:44:14,270 --> 00:44:12,230
the hull connection can shop the thingy

1008
00:44:16,730 --> 00:44:14,280
variables is also another great

1009
00:44:18,620 --> 00:44:16,740
mysteries that he is dr. Reggie was and

1010
00:44:21,349 --> 00:44:18,630
people for how another hearing other

1011
00:44:25,220 --> 00:44:21,359
people I've been announced using science

1012
00:44:27,230 --> 00:44:25,230
we decided you December what what

1013
00:44:29,420 --> 00:44:27,240
wealthy everybody for helping us to

1014
00:44:48,770 --> 00:44:29,430
investigate lots of mysteries today we

1015
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:48,780
are the mystery investigators Scopes

1016
00:44:54,620 --> 00:44:52,050
Monkey choir Scopes Monkey choir wait

1017
00:44:57,260 --> 00:44:54,630
are we a fire no when I require but we

1018
00:45:01,250 --> 00:44:57,270
are musicians when I monkeys either we

1019
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:01,260
are running so what is Scopes Monkey

1020
00:45:06,770 --> 00:45:04,530
choir it's podcast oh yeah it's podcast

1021
00:45:09,740 --> 00:45:06,780
it's the podcast where music and sound

1022
00:45:11,780 --> 00:45:09,750
me to science and skepticism we are two

1023
00:45:13,579 --> 00:45:11,790
professional musicians who decided turn

1024
00:45:15,530 --> 00:45:13,589
are skeptical eyes on our own profession

1025
00:45:18,109 --> 00:45:15,540
we look at the science of music we look

1026
00:45:20,540 --> 00:45:18,119
at studies recent studies about music

1027
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:20,550
and sound we look skeptically at musical

1028
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:23,210
myths we look at

1029
00:45:29,050 --> 00:45:26,570
and we work out about music there's new

1030
00:45:31,510 --> 00:45:29,060
asset scopes monkey choir calm I'll find

1031
00:45:33,010 --> 00:45:31,520
us on iTunes scopes monkey choir the

1032
00:45:42,070 --> 00:45:33,020
podcast for music and sounds meat

1033
00:45:44,140 --> 00:45:42,080
science and skepticism now a word or two

1034
00:45:46,839 --> 00:45:44,150
or three or four from our friends in

1035
00:45:49,510 --> 00:45:46,849
Victoria the Victorian skeptics they've

1036
00:45:52,570 --> 00:45:49,520
got to stand this weekend that's the

1037
00:45:55,089 --> 00:45:52,580
other 20th and the 21st at science works

1038
00:45:58,420 --> 00:45:55,099
there in Melbourne as part of Science

1039
00:46:01,150 --> 00:45:58,430
Week friend of the skeptics Nicholas

1040
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:01,160
Johnson will be putting on a magic show

1041
00:46:05,380 --> 00:46:03,410
next to the skeptic stand and the

1042
00:46:07,270 --> 00:46:05,390
skeptics themselves will be doing

1043
00:46:10,089 --> 00:46:07,280
demonstrations of the ideomotor effect

1044
00:46:13,140 --> 00:46:10,099
are more commonly known as dowsing and

1045
00:46:16,270 --> 00:46:13,150
also kinesiology applied kinesiology

1046
00:46:17,859 --> 00:46:16,280
demonstrations using the famous placebo

1047
00:46:19,810 --> 00:46:17,869
band and I think we know a little bit

1048
00:46:23,530 --> 00:46:19,820
about that then on the following

1049
00:46:25,990 --> 00:46:23,540
thursday the 25th you can dine with leo

1050
00:46:29,109 --> 00:46:26,000
egg way all the way from Africa at

1051
00:46:31,030 --> 00:46:29,119
lanata restaurant Leo is known as a

1052
00:46:33,820 --> 00:46:31,040
campaigner for reason humanism and

1053
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:33,830
skeptical thinking in Nigeria and

1054
00:46:37,930 --> 00:46:35,930
apparently there are still some places

1055
00:46:40,900 --> 00:46:37,940
left for that dinner the following

1056
00:46:43,240 --> 00:46:40,910
Saturday the 27th of August Leo will be

1057
00:46:46,690 --> 00:46:43,250
speaking at a much larger venue trades

1058
00:46:49,240 --> 00:46:46,700
hall in Victoria Street Carlton the talk

1059
00:46:52,540 --> 00:46:49,250
will be entitled witch hunts injustice

1060
00:46:54,310 --> 00:46:52,550
and superstition in Africa the cost is

1061
00:46:57,130 --> 00:46:54,320
only ten dollars per person with

1062
00:46:59,770 --> 00:46:57,140
proceeds donated to Leo to help his work

1063
00:47:02,290 --> 00:46:59,780
in Africa now for more information about

1064
00:47:04,510 --> 00:47:02,300
these events and each one would be well

1065
00:47:07,450 --> 00:47:04,520
worth attending go along to the

1066
00:47:12,210 --> 00:47:07,460
Victorian skeptics website which is HTTP

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colon slash slash Vic skeptics dot

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wordpress.com or just google Victorian

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hi this is scary papi i am ross Blocher

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00:47:34,110 --> 00:47:30,670
okay Ross hey we're from a podcast

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00:47:35,820 --> 00:47:34,120
called oh no Ross and Carrie we find out

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00:47:37,230 --> 00:47:35,830
what happens when you show up and ask

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00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:37,240
questions we've hung out with the

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00:47:42,030 --> 00:47:39,490
Cabalists the Mormons we've gone and

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00:47:44,460 --> 00:47:42,040
gotten ear candle gone to the sikhs we

1076
00:47:46,110 --> 00:47:44,470
show up so you don't have to so find out

1077
00:47:48,210 --> 00:47:46,120
where we're going next we'll even have

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00:47:50,610 --> 00:47:48,220
special episodes where we have famous

1079
00:47:52,620 --> 00:47:50,620
guests like Brian Dalton from mr. deity

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00:47:54,630 --> 00:47:52,630
you heard that awesome theme music he

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00:47:58,800 --> 00:47:54,640
wrote that you should come visit us at

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00:48:01,620 --> 00:47:58,810
Oh No podcast.com or facebook.com slash

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00:48:05,700 --> 00:48:01,630
on rack what the hell's honor a cross Oh

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00:48:12,090 --> 00:48:05,710
in RAC Oh Oh No Ross and Carrie that's

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00:48:20,230 --> 00:48:16,560
here's my not spooky action at a

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well I'm standing an ill at Mayfield

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00:48:29,060 --> 00:48:26,970
West looking at the csiro i like to call

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00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:29,070
it the death rate but it's not as

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00:48:32,030 --> 00:48:30,330
science fictiony as that but it is

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00:48:33,950 --> 00:48:32,040
science fact we're looking at look

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00:48:36,170 --> 00:48:33,960
please let us know who you are and what

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00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:36,180
Marvel we're looking at over here my

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00:48:39,290 --> 00:48:37,530
name's James McGregor I'm the energy

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00:48:41,690 --> 00:48:39,300
systems manager here at the energy

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00:48:43,820 --> 00:48:41,700
center at maple west and I was like

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00:48:45,260 --> 00:48:43,830
happy Science Week thank you yes there's

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00:48:46,970 --> 00:48:45,270
National Science Week and what's going

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00:48:49,339 --> 00:48:46,980
on here today and got lots of members of

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00:48:52,250 --> 00:48:49,349
public here so this particular project

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00:48:53,570 --> 00:48:52,260
is a blonde our new high temperature bad

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00:48:55,609 --> 00:48:53,580
boy on the block high temperature solar

1102
00:48:57,230 --> 00:48:55,619
tower and what we actually doing here is

1103
00:48:58,849 --> 00:48:57,240
concentrating the sun's energy to heat

1104
00:49:01,099 --> 00:48:58,859
air so we had a thousand degrees Celsius

1105
00:49:02,570 --> 00:49:01,109
now when the Spanish CDs do they get

1106
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:02,580
really pissed off because they've got

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00:49:05,720 --> 00:49:04,170
something over there and from what I've

1108
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:05,730
seen it's rubbish it's complete rubbish

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00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:07,530
in fact I write letters to them saying

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00:49:10,580 --> 00:49:09,090
thank you just pull it down and get

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00:49:11,420 --> 00:49:10,590
themselves a newcastle west and build

1112
00:49:13,490 --> 00:49:11,430
something like this because this is

1113
00:49:14,839 --> 00:49:13,500
better than one that got in spain and it

1114
00:49:16,670 --> 00:49:14,849
gets all the coverage on Discovery

1115
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:16,680
Channel what's wrong with that certainly

1116
00:49:22,070 --> 00:49:18,930
optically this particular facility is

1117
00:49:23,210 --> 00:49:22,080
much higher performance however this the

1118
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:23,220
Spanish you talking about having our

1119
00:49:27,050 --> 00:49:24,450
soul are actually one of our partners

1120
00:49:29,240 --> 00:49:27,060
now so there actually are here top

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00:49:31,099 --> 00:49:29,250
people I've never never said anything

1122
00:49:32,240 --> 00:49:31,109
bad about the minute so are they

1123
00:49:34,099 --> 00:49:32,250
partners because they're basically

1124
00:49:35,720 --> 00:49:34,109
trying to do some industrial espionage

1125
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:35,730
on us is that what's going on I don't

1126
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:37,410
think that's the case I think they've

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00:49:42,130 --> 00:49:39,570
seen the quality of the research is

1128
00:49:44,630 --> 00:49:42,140
going on here at it in the hunter and

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00:49:46,430 --> 00:49:44,640
they see some real value in helping them

1130
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:46,440
to improve what they're doing over there

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00:49:50,599 --> 00:49:48,930
in Spain now don't correct me if I'm

1132
00:49:52,310 --> 00:49:50,609
wrong and I probably will be about three

1133
00:49:54,140 --> 00:49:52,320
words into this is that what they're

1134
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:54,150
doing is they're heating water in Spain

1135
00:49:59,120 --> 00:49:57,210
with the solar radiation focusing and we

1136
00:50:01,630 --> 00:49:59,130
are heating air to make an air turbine

1137
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:01,640
is that correct that's great yesterday

1138
00:50:06,020 --> 00:50:04,170
what I produced in for the steam turbine

1139
00:50:07,579 --> 00:50:06,030
same way conventional fossil fuel plants

1140
00:50:09,109 --> 00:50:07,589
typically operate or coal-fired power

1141
00:50:10,430 --> 00:50:09,119
stations operate yeah which is all right

1142
00:50:12,020 --> 00:50:10,440
if you've got plenty of rivers but if

1143
00:50:13,730 --> 00:50:12,030
you're in the middle of say the Simpson

1144
00:50:15,740 --> 00:50:13,740
Desert yeah absolutely and waters be

1145
00:50:17,240 --> 00:50:15,750
issue so and that's one of the reasons

1146
00:50:19,700 --> 00:50:17,250
why we're focusing on this solar Brayton

1147
00:50:22,220 --> 00:50:19,710
technology which is basically a guest to

1148
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:22,230
everyone that's been modified to run on

1149
00:50:25,970 --> 00:50:24,210
solar and all the only two inputs we

1150
00:50:27,650 --> 00:50:25,980
need a bassy son and heir and we can

1151
00:50:29,810 --> 00:50:27,660
generate electricity from it and of

1152
00:50:31,690 --> 00:50:29,820
course the big difficulty is base load

1153
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:31,700
how do you make sure that we've got some

1154
00:50:35,530 --> 00:50:33,410
power for our modem it's a couple of

1155
00:50:37,420 --> 00:50:35,540
questions si1 we can do storage so

1156
00:50:39,670 --> 00:50:37,430
there's actually a solar players open up

1157
00:50:41,020 --> 00:50:39,680
in Spain with our Spanish friends that

1158
00:50:44,170 --> 00:50:41,030
actually operates 24 hours they now

1159
00:50:46,420 --> 00:50:44,180
called Gemma solar so how do you keep

1160
00:50:48,790 --> 00:50:46,430
the heat from the Sun during the night

1161
00:50:50,230 --> 00:50:48,800
time yes so what we do is we use we can

1162
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:50,240
use liquid metals we can use things

1163
00:50:53,740 --> 00:50:52,130
called molten salt so we basically heat

1164
00:50:55,390 --> 00:50:53,750
up materials to get a very high tournage

1165
00:50:58,060 --> 00:50:55,400
and put them in a big hot water tank

1166
00:50:59,620 --> 00:50:58,070
effectively so salt hot water people the

1167
00:51:02,170 --> 00:50:59,630
people have at home is an example of

1168
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:02,180
thermal story so water LCD during a day

1169
00:51:04,839 --> 00:51:03,290
and you use it at night when you come

1170
00:51:06,220 --> 00:51:04,849
out of a shower or after you been

1171
00:51:07,510 --> 00:51:06,230
watching what have you watch on on the

1172
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:07,520
internet and of course there's

1173
00:51:12,190 --> 00:51:10,490
Montgomery burns is love saying you know

1174
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:12,200
solar energy has no future because it

1175
00:51:15,819 --> 00:51:13,490
can't actually make large-scale

1176
00:51:17,109 --> 00:51:15,829
productions if this was scaled up what

1177
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:17,119
do you think would be the maximum output

1178
00:51:20,290 --> 00:51:18,770
I mean could we do or something like

1179
00:51:22,180 --> 00:51:20,300
we've got over it then like my mower

1180
00:51:23,530 --> 00:51:22,190
there we go could we but how many giga

1181
00:51:24,940 --> 00:51:23,540
watts could we get out of one of these

1182
00:51:27,849 --> 00:51:24,950
if we get it well if we look at

1183
00:51:29,290 --> 00:51:27,859
australia's solar resource every three

1184
00:51:30,609 --> 00:51:29,300
and half days or thereabouts-- the

1185
00:51:31,690 --> 00:51:30,619
amount of solar energy the lens on our

1186
00:51:33,910 --> 00:51:31,700
country is enough to power the entire

1187
00:51:35,319 --> 00:51:33,920
world for a year so the salt there's no

1188
00:51:38,589 --> 00:51:35,329
limitation really on the solar resource

1189
00:51:40,540 --> 00:51:38,599
this particular technology here we

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00:51:41,770 --> 00:51:40,550
expect that's about 10 megawatt be the

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00:51:44,260 --> 00:51:41,780
sort of unit size you would have there

1192
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:44,270
and if you want to under megawatts you

1193
00:51:48,490 --> 00:51:46,490
just build 20 of them so there's really

1194
00:51:50,020 --> 00:51:48,500
no upper limit in terms of the capacity

1195
00:51:52,839 --> 00:51:50,030
we can generate now with these systems

1196
00:51:54,819 --> 00:51:52,849
and it so any plans to trial it at any

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00:51:56,140 --> 00:51:54,829
city in australia or hang on why do we

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00:51:58,630 --> 00:51:56,150
trial it in spain just see how it goes

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00:51:59,890 --> 00:51:58,640
airfares certainly we're working with

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00:52:02,470 --> 00:51:59,900
some of our industrial partners at

1201
00:52:05,109 --> 00:52:02,480
mitsubishi heavy industries also to

1202
00:52:06,550 --> 00:52:05,119
identify a the next scale which is about

1203
00:52:09,309 --> 00:52:06,560
10 times bigger than what you see here

1204
00:52:11,079 --> 00:52:09,319
today and we're getting very close to

1205
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:11,089
identifying a suitable site and partners

1206
00:52:15,550 --> 00:52:12,650
for that so i would think that within

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00:52:16,870 --> 00:52:15,560
certain within five years we'll see a 10

1208
00:52:18,970 --> 00:52:16,880
time scale up what you see here

1209
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:18,980
operating and generate electricity and

1210
00:52:23,740 --> 00:52:21,890
then hopefully another five years past

1211
00:52:25,420 --> 00:52:23,750
that will see the full scale 10 megawatt

1212
00:52:26,890 --> 00:52:25,430
sort of commercial system look I'm

1213
00:52:28,210 --> 00:52:26,900
really impressed and like just a touch

1214
00:52:29,380 --> 00:52:28,220
proud as an Australian to see that's

1215
00:52:31,750 --> 00:52:29,390
going on because as you know in this

1216
00:52:33,910 --> 00:52:31,760
country the percent we spend on R&D is

1217
00:52:35,530 --> 00:52:33,920
very small to our gross domestic product

1218
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:35,540
compared to almost any other country and

1219
00:52:38,579 --> 00:52:36,890
to see this sort of stuff going to going

1220
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:38,589
on is I mean

1221
00:52:41,670 --> 00:52:40,210
how did you convince someone to cough up

1222
00:52:42,779 --> 00:52:41,680
the money for that I mean was it because

1223
00:52:44,759 --> 00:52:42,789
the Spanish in the Japanese are

1224
00:52:46,829 --> 00:52:44,769
interested well I think we were

1225
00:52:48,450 --> 00:52:46,839
fortunate the Australian solar institute

1226
00:52:51,209 --> 00:52:48,460
established his headquarters here in

1227
00:52:53,309 --> 00:52:51,219
Newcastle and this is one of three

1228
00:52:54,599 --> 00:52:53,319
foundation projects they can commit

1229
00:52:57,180 --> 00:52:54,609
advances they committed five million

1230
00:52:59,459 --> 00:52:57,190
dollars to really and their mission is

1231
00:53:01,650 --> 00:52:59,469
to try and increase our research

1232
00:53:02,999 --> 00:53:01,660
capability here in Australia and this is

1233
00:53:05,249 --> 00:53:03,009
one of the first projects as guess has

1234
00:53:06,749 --> 00:53:05,259
come to fruition and it's a brilliant

1235
00:53:08,999 --> 00:53:06,759
piece of infrastructure and yet

1236
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:09,009
Newcastle should be very proud their

1237
00:53:14,039 --> 00:53:11,410
lawn looks fantastic I have to ask you

1238
00:53:15,420 --> 00:53:14,049
is there anything at all technically two

1239
00:53:16,709 --> 00:53:15,430
is there any technology involved than

1240
00:53:19,529 --> 00:53:16,719
that that might have been to do with

1241
00:53:22,170 --> 00:53:19,539
Nicholas Tesla at all no I don't know

1242
00:53:24,109 --> 00:53:22,180
gee I was hoping we might have got him

1243
00:53:26,309 --> 00:53:24,119
into the interview but not at all I know

1244
00:53:29,479 --> 00:53:26,319
unfortunately not know sir this is all

1245
00:53:32,549 --> 00:53:29,489
new castle design new castle built and

1246
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:32,559
Newcastle adult and we know you guys

1247
00:53:36,269 --> 00:53:34,690
like nicknames in science among the

1248
00:53:37,410 --> 00:53:36,279
staff what is the nickname for the array

1249
00:53:40,289 --> 00:53:37,420
in the mirror there you got a big cool

1250
00:53:42,329 --> 00:53:40,299
nickname it's our we call it very boring

1251
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:42,339
Lisi 1000 because it's a thousand

1252
00:53:46,890 --> 00:53:44,170
kilowatts capacity it's a robot from

1253
00:53:48,839 --> 00:53:46,900
futurama during construction that was

1254
00:53:51,450 --> 00:53:48,849
being termed the field of dreams so

1255
00:53:52,469 --> 00:53:51,460
build it and they will come that's great

1256
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:52,479
look I'm going to talk a few of the

1257
00:53:54,690 --> 00:53:53,650
people that are here and what seems to

1258
00:53:55,859 --> 00:53:54,700
be the reaction for the members of the

1259
00:53:58,920 --> 00:53:55,869
public could have seen this today I

1260
00:54:00,779 --> 00:53:58,930
think they're really impressed I think

1261
00:54:02,459 --> 00:54:00,789
this this technology in the research we

1262
00:54:04,620 --> 00:54:02,469
do is better known around the world than

1263
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:04,630
it is in Hunter so I think people are

1264
00:54:09,450 --> 00:54:07,210
quite amazed that some of the world's

1265
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:09,460
best capability in this areas in their

1266
00:54:13,049 --> 00:54:11,650
own backyard a lot of people when they

1267
00:54:16,799 --> 00:54:13,059
think of solar energy they think of

1268
00:54:17,670 --> 00:54:16,809
photo photo voltaic cells and that's not

1269
00:54:20,099 --> 00:54:17,680
what that is at all you're just

1270
00:54:24,479 --> 00:54:20,109
directing the sunlight at a system air

1271
00:54:25,459 --> 00:54:24,489
turbine do you think the development

1272
00:54:27,209 --> 00:54:25,469
that this is going to overtake

1273
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:27,219
photovoltaic or is there still a role

1274
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:29,410
for them now I think as we look at our

1275
00:54:31,859 --> 00:54:30,729
energy mix there's going to be a range

1276
00:54:34,109 --> 00:54:31,869
of applications for whole range of

1277
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:34,119
technologies no one solution I think

1278
00:54:37,589 --> 00:54:35,890
what we'll see with solar thermal is

1279
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:37,599
that for large-scale power generation

1280
00:54:42,539 --> 00:54:39,729
we're going to see massive acceleration

1281
00:54:44,549 --> 00:54:42,549
in the deployment of it and it will you

1282
00:54:46,739 --> 00:54:44,559
know in terms of cost is becoming a very

1283
00:54:49,130 --> 00:54:46,749
competitive against conventional fossil

1284
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:49,140
fuels so I think so solar thermal

1285
00:54:53,940 --> 00:54:51,130
particularly in Australia

1286
00:54:55,620 --> 00:54:53,950
yeah if I were to come come back from

1287
00:54:57,210 --> 00:54:55,630
the dead in 200 years time I think we'll

1288
00:54:58,830 --> 00:54:57,220
see sulfur which I believe you're also

1289
00:55:01,260 --> 00:54:58,840
working on inside the building here

1290
00:55:04,050 --> 00:55:01,270
right yeah we can't talk about how it's

1291
00:55:06,090 --> 00:55:04,060
a subjective patents that one but yeah I

1292
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:06,100
think if we come back in the future in

1293
00:55:10,470 --> 00:55:07,690
Australia that will see that solar

1294
00:55:13,500 --> 00:55:10,480
thermal is a major contributor to our

1295
00:55:15,210 --> 00:55:13,510
energy production and also it's safe you

1296
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:15,220
could live next door to that I mean I

1297
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:16,810
could imagine on an extreme scale the

1298
00:55:20,580 --> 00:55:18,370
only difficulty might be whatever those

1299
00:55:22,770 --> 00:55:20,590
medals you are using to to sequester

1300
00:55:24,390 --> 00:55:22,780
heat into the ground they they're not I

1301
00:55:25,530 --> 00:55:24,400
mean is there any even toxic problem of

1302
00:55:27,510 --> 00:55:25,540
that is there any problem there's no

1303
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:27,520
noise comes from that no so there's well

1304
00:55:30,990 --> 00:55:29,530
there's noise but it's from the turbine

1305
00:55:33,420 --> 00:55:31,000
so we can put that an acoustic box and

1306
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:33,430
make it silent say I said the only

1307
00:55:38,580 --> 00:55:34,930
things going into the system of air and

1308
00:55:41,070 --> 00:55:38,590
Sun so you do see a nice climbing spot

1309
00:55:43,710 --> 00:55:41,080
on the receiver when its operating but

1310
00:55:45,810 --> 00:55:43,720
for the most part it's silent yeah and

1311
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:45,820
and there are no dangerous chemicals

1312
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:47,530
used in it all even in the sequestering

1313
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:50,170
I mean anything is it somebody look I'll

1314
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:51,130
try and look for something that my

1315
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:52,450
people are might complain about here

1316
00:55:55,530 --> 00:55:54,010
really I mean you could put some nice

1317
00:55:57,360 --> 00:55:55,540
graffiti on it you can make it you can

1318
00:55:58,980 --> 00:55:57,370
even make it look like the the Queen's

1319
00:56:00,030 --> 00:55:58,990
well viewing tower if you wanted to you

1320
00:56:01,980 --> 00:56:00,040
know you could make it look really nice

1321
00:56:03,990 --> 00:56:01,990
like that but I think we're going to

1322
00:56:07,470 --> 00:56:04,000
want to look like our local phallic

1323
00:56:09,540 --> 00:56:07,480
symbol down on the harbor day but look

1324
00:56:12,150 --> 00:56:09,550
really the only two inputs are sunlight

1325
00:56:14,730 --> 00:56:12,160
and air so yeah there's no chemicals

1326
00:56:17,010 --> 00:56:14,740
there's no fuels there's no out steel

1327
00:56:18,930 --> 00:56:17,020
and glass and the sort of things people

1328
00:56:20,100 --> 00:56:18,940
want in their own home so look we're

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really excited and think it's going to

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be a great technology for the future

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it's fantastic and I just want to see

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bigger and bigger ones of them that will

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sate away we as we look to the future we

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like liking to see these sorts of things

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not only in Australia but I Australia to

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actually punch above their weight and

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help contribute to the rest of the

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thank you for listening to the skeptic

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cheese interview with Benjamin Radford

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Heights and talk about their public

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